Carol: Right. And we will be back to close off with Mark Paulk after these short messages. And welcome back. We've been talking to Mark Paulk, who is a senior member of the technical staff at the Software Engineering Institute. And one thing I'd just like to finish off with, Mark, if you don't mind, is that Ed Yourdon last week said only about 15 percent of American companies have gone through any sort of assessment to find out whether or not they're even doing anything right. Does the Software Engineering Institute have any plans to address that 85 percent of organizations that aren't aware yet?
Mark: Well, one of our challenges is just keeping up with the workload that we already have. And in fact several years ago, we had to put together transition partners, establish a, if you will, a consulting community to provide services to the organizations who wanted to take advantage of the work that we were doing, because we're actually a fairly small organization. And there's no way that we could supply the services that the community was requesting at that time.
I find it plausible that 15 percent is a reasonably correct percentage. What I find amazing is just how quickly and how thoroughly the software community has picked up on the ideas. So in one sense, we still have a lot more to do, and we're continuing to expand what we're doing. In another, it is amazing how well known and how widespread the CMM work is. So is the glass half full or half empty is the question to ask, I guess.