e-Talk Radio: Pressman, Roger, 14 November 2000


promise. And it's very simple. We've been on the net for a long time, so we have one of those cherished, four-letter URLs. It's www.rspa.com.

Carol: Great. Thank you. And next week's guest, we're going to be having Ed Yourdon, who is also an author, consultant, and presenter, who has been around the country for a number of years and has been the editor of American Programmer, among other things. He wrote a book called Death March of Large Systems Projects. I know I've got the title wrong. But he'll be our guest next week. And I'd like to thank you for joining us this week. This has been wonderful. Roger, I'd like to give you the opportunity to say a few words in closing, just about Palm Beach County, about software engineering…

Roger: Well, I will say that I've done many, many interviews, and this is the only one where I've talked about national issues. Normally, I'm kind of hung up talking about software and systems in kind of an esoteric way, because that's my business. The only thing that I can say to everybody is just simply that what we're seeing here is an example of a system that's flawed and that runs and operates and no one is aware of it until a series of circumstances occurs that causes us to be very painfully aware of it. I suspect that out there in the world, in our world, in the systems and software world, there are also systems that operate and exist, and in fact everybody thinks are fine, that aren't. One of the ways that we try to build high-quality systems is to use good process, good software engineering practices, good system engineering practices. And for any of you who are working in the new Web-enabled world, who are building Web applications or e-commerce applications, recognize clearly that if good process, good Web engineering practices is used, you're much more likely to build high-quality systems that won't turn out to be like the Florida voting system that is enormously error prone, but that cranked along for many years until a set of unusual circumstances occurred, and then it came crashing to its knees. It's kind of a strained metaphor, but I would suggest to you that it's a reasonable one.

Carol: And I think that's very well said, Roger. Again, thank you very much for being my guest this week. We have a number of guests coming up, Ed Yourdon being next week, Mark Paulk of the Software Engineering Institute the week after, who will round out our overall schedule this year. And the whole topic, the things that we want to talk about, that we want to bring to the public, is the whole notion of what is software engineering versus computer science. What is going on behind the scenes in system development, in development of software? What does it take to get the requirements right? And Roger, I think that you've illustrated something for us this week, which was quite unexpected when we first scheduled this show, which is how software or lack thereof can affect our very lives. So I'd like to give a final farewell to Roger Pressman. Thank you again for joining us. If you'd like information on Quality Plus Technologies, please go to www.qualityplustech.com and as a final sendoff from Quality Plus e-Talk! this is Carol Dekkers. Have a great week.

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