Implementing DevOps in Large, Complex Organizations: An Interview with Mike Baukes


Jonathan Vanian: No, that's totally fine. How about any trends in enterprise technology? What are you seeing that people should be aware of?

Mike Baukes: Definitely the containerization movement is taking off, right. Docker itself is becoming this huge force, so people are beginning to realize that containerization and application-centric technology like that, particularly for deployment ...

Jonathan Vanian: ... When you talk about containerization just briefly explain that for people.

Mike Baukes: Oh, sorry. Being able to take an application and instantiate it in its own space where it doesn't really have any underlying effect to the operating system. Effectively, it means that you can wrap it around this portable unit, like a shipping container, and move it from host to host without any impact on the operating system. Kind of like what a virtual machine did to the hypervisor, but way smaller, way more compact, and way more service oriented.

Jonathan Vanian: Very cool.

Mike Baukes: We're seeing a lot of that and we personally use that technology a lot, and we love it. It's moving in a really great direction. I'm really looking forward to the software find, the networking components where you can see more visibility. Not really practical application, but you can see where it's heading. We just need a few more of these other parts to come together.

Jonathan Vanian: You're seeing the seeds planted right now?

Mike Baukes: Absolutely. YANG and NETCONF and all those components now are beginning to form the stream where you can actually see, and particularly with Docker coming into the play too, you can see how this whole thing's going to fit. I think we'll actually be able to do true ... this sounds really weird saying this, but I think we'll be able to do, the reality in the 1990s of service-oriented architecture I think will actually be a reality in the next few years because the ability to be able to pick lightweight reusable components up, mash them together, create services and loosely-coupled services is clearly nearly there. I think we're just at that point now where it's about to tip over and it's going to be so cool. We're just at that point now and it's really great.

Jonathan Vanian: Very great. Winding down a bit, anything you want to leave people who are going to be attending your session? Anything you want to give out to people?

Mike Baukes: Just come with a really open mind. You can hurl abuse at any point in time, I'm quite all right with a heckle, it's always good. There's a couple of books that if you've had a chance to read, number one is Jez Humble's "Continuous Delivery" book, and number two is Kevin Behr and Gene Kim's book "The Phoenix Project". Really great practices or just explanations on DevOps, not so much Jez's book, but Kevin and Gene's book definitely.

Yeah, if you need any help or assistance or anything, or just wanted to have a chat about it, I would love to talk to anyone that wants to talk about it afterwards.

Jonathan Vanian: Great. All right, Mike. Thank you so much for taking time to talk.

Mike Baukes: Any time, thanks a lot.



Mike Baukes is the cofounder and CEO of ScriptRock, a Bay Area startup that makes QA software easier for DevOps teams. ScriptRock's flagship product, GuardRail, is a cloud-based change, configuration, and release monitoring solution that helps enterprises deliver ideas to market faster and safer. Prior to startup life, Mike held senior technology leadership roles in strategy, systems architecture, engineering, and operations dealing with billions of transactions for international banking and finance organizations including Lloyds Banking Group, The Commonwealth Bank of Australia, and  E*TRADE. He resides in the Bay Area with his beautiful wife and two children. You can find him on twitter as @mikebaukes or @devops

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